Argh! Wraa!

[Chofunga]

Dammit! Bleh blargh blah!

Oh well, still a good run with much improvement shown.

[Duerdon]

Yeah, despite our bad luck with Luci, that run was freakin awesome! We made it to Luci's cave in very good time! Next run will be Luci pewnage!

Grats to everyone for doing such an awesome job! Next time Luci won't be so lucky...and we'll all do happy dances at purple lootage.

[scuttlekraw]

Yeah i was frustrated there at the end, but we cruised through that great! I am looking forward to our next shot!

[Phebus]

Great run guys! Thanks again for the invite :)

[Beaf]

Bet we would have taken him with one more try if people didn't leave so early.

You need to plan on spending 4 hours in MC, otherwise there's no point in showing up.

[Myrkris]

Bet we would have taken him with one more try if people didn't leave so early.

You need to plan on spending 4 hours in MC, otherwise there's no point in showing up.

Then I guess there's no point in trying it, since many of us don't play in four hour blocks because our lives don't allow that. We didn't leave early, we left late you're talking about people on Central and Eastern time who have to get up early for jobs. We can't start earlier than we can since some have kids, and there are also west coast players in HAWC. Net result? There is NO such thing as a four hour window for a HAWC raid.

Instead of worrying about how much time we need to commit, let's instead try to accomplish what we can in the time we have to do it?

[Thwak]

we spent 45 minutes waiting for everyone to get there or be summoned. that 45 minutes would have allowed us to have a few more goes at luci. plus for those that are on time it is fairly boring sitting there for 45 minutes... it's something all the guilds could work on imo.

if ya know we have a standing appointment for mc on sunday night then logout outside of the instance or plan on getting on ahead of time. i'd also like to spend more time there but i am not about to offer up that we start earlier or go later when it's not even important enough for people to be there on time as it is. we're getting better but there is room for improvement for sure.

babysteps...

[Warcaster]

Bet we would have taken him with one more try if people didn't leave so early.

You need to plan on spending 4 hours in MC, otherwise there's no point in showing up.

Well, since the raid was only scheduled for 3 hours I guess there was no point in going in the first place.

The raid was on the calendar to start at 7PM and end at 10PM. We started forming at 6:45PM CST. The last person to show up (which was a certain certain tauren warrior if I recall correctly) was 40 minutes late - almost an full hour after we started inviting people. Pretty ironic for that same person to whine about a raid ending on time. Actually, it went late -- we didn't zone out until 10:20. For those of us that get up at 4:30AM that makes for a pretty short night. So until you can do the other 39 of us the courtesy of showing up on time please don't whine about actually ending a raid when we say we're going to.

I really don't mind that fact that you were late -- real life happens. Believe it or not, we can start without Beaf in the line-up. But don't get all bent out of shape when other people's real life happens as well.

[scuttlekraw]

Getting 40 people together for one raid is hard enough, so cooridinating 4 guilds is even harder. If i remember correctly this was only our 3rd shot at MC(unless i missed one), and this was our first shot with a group that actually had the balance to have a chance. Every time we have made very notable progress and i dont anticipate that changing. That means next sunday if we get a good group like this time Luci WILL go down with time to spare. I logged scuttle out by MC sunday morning with everything she needed and played my alt all day to make sure i would be ready.


Last night was very frustrating for some of us, but we did learn alot. I do think we should put it behind us though. Call me paranoid but i dont like the direction this thread is taking or could take. Finger pointing and blaming is not going to help us at all. PLEASE realize i am not trying to single anyone out, because i agree with all previous posters in some aspect. What i know for sure is that we all want to do the endgame content, but we dont want to be just another level 60 in a huge guild where noone knows eatch other and its all about DKP(i think thats the term). We have got a good thing going and this was just a little bump in the road on our way to Ragnaros! Right?

[Instriden]

I don't often say too much, in game or otherwise, but two words describe the raid:
Deeply Disapointing

We were doing extremely well up to the point where everyone 'had' to leave.
If you've played enough online games everyone should understand that 3 hours, 4 hours whatever was scheduled is never a hard time cap, especially when you are at a Boss! Finishing what the raid intended to do is always the objective, if it takes 15-20 mins more, shorter or longer, thats the way it is. There are a number of guilds would have de-guilded members for not finishing.

Sorry to say, but we would most likely had Luci with 1 final pull as we understood what was needed to finish off our first MC boss. When you finally get to a boss, 15 minutes to finish off is not too much to ask for. Yes people have schedules, and I have kids, work etc, but getting skunked for the amount of time ppl invested in the raid is ludicrous. This has serious longterm effects as people will not bother going on raids because they know when the times comes, there is no finish! We made excellent progress to get there, "Finish Him" or die trying, we did neither.

I also would like to mention to stop flaming Beaf as he made a valid point, whether he was later or not is irrelevant, and I will defend him and any other person from any guild for not getting to an event on time because of RL issues. No one in the raid had to wait, or we couldnt continue because 1 player wasn't there. So knock off the criticism, sarcasm, anger and bad feelings towards him now!

I know I'm not the only person from the raid that was not happy, whether they speak out or not on this forum or in game, will have second thoughts of raiding without 'finish'. I beleive this captures what a number of people were thinking and most likely afraid of saying. Don't get me wrong as I'm not intending to offend or flame, as I appreciated the hard work, effort by everyone on the raid to get to the boss. Hopefully this doesn't happen again.

Criticize me or not, those are my thoughts on this subject.