Post your Warrior Burning Crusade specs here!

[Sol]

sol's spec (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050100000000000000000000550010000000000000002355011330000123501351)

[Cinter]

Cinter's Spec (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?320050203020000000000000505010501501225310500300000000000000000000)

[Sol]

Woah, nice spec. I would love that spec. Impale + enrage and flurry... zang.

hmm, maybe i will try that spec out for leveling purposes... :)

[Cinter]

Moving TM really makes me mad and gimps the 17/34/0 style I am in now. :( TM should just be freaking trainable anyway. Stupid blizz, oh evocation and arcane explosion are necessities to the mage class, lets let them buy them. Oh, TM is necessary to be competent as a warrior in almost all instance, lets move it to prot. :12:

[Renia]

Moving TM really makes me mad and gimps the 17/34/0 style I am in now. :( TM should just be freaking trainable anyway. Stupid blizz, oh evocation and arcane explosion are necessities to the mage class, lets let them buy them. Oh, TM is necessary to be competent as a warrior in almost all instance, lets move it to prot. :12:


boo. hoo.

rogues have always had to spec in all 3 trees to be competent, so shush.

[Cinter]

Did they give you the solution as moving it to a completely irrelevant tree?

[Renia]

Did they give you the solution as moving it to a completely irrelevant tree?


everyone agrees that improved backstab should be in assassination and imp. SnD should be in combat..it both makes RP sense, and play sense. so, no, they didn't change it. it's just always been like that.

[Cinter]

Fair enough, lets stop taking the Warrior spec thread space though.

[Grurr]

My BC warrior spec is like this.

Find warrior.
Shoot warrior.
Pillage warrior's corpse, slaughter warrior's cattle, take warrior's women, enslave warrior's children.

Listen to the beautiful musical sound of "Boooo hooo... Hunters are overpowered. Sniffle."

:D

[wooti]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?000000000000000000000000505010000000000000002355011033021123531351


If i get to 70 :P.

[Mudsloth]

good lord I never had any idea deathwish was so awesome.

That is clearly what the mage "playing with fire" talent should be.

[Cinter]

Death Wish + Recklessness brings the pain.

[Arcticblob]

Here is my spec. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?312202203520120233110500523010502201000000000000000000000000000000


Pls, any input will be helpfull.... Other warriors feel free to drop me a line on what you think, change this change that.. (this will help you here/ there type thing) thx.. Blob

[Sol]

cool guide~

http://www.worldofming.com/?page_id=40

includes a video of the 2v2 arena. this is so hardcore for PVP nuts!

[Shizma]

Considering that Shiz is primarily a prot spec warrior, and that I really enjoy the role, this is my first look at the 61 point build

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?130000000000000000000000505300000000000000002355511031020100531051

Devastate looks like an awesome skill, as does improved Rend. Getting +120% to a skill that already does 5-600 damage seems awesome to the prot-guys. Getting a 12-1400 point strike on the target and the closest ally almost makes being prot hurt :)

Should be interesting. Wonder how long it will take to level?

[Warcaster]

Should be interesting. Wonder how long it will take to level?

I keep hearing that 60-70 will take as long as 1-60. /shrug

[Cinter]

Blizzard actually un-assed their heads and made TM partially trainable! Huzzah Blizzard!

[Redgar]

I keep hearing that 60-70 will take as long as 1-60. /shrug
Nope. As far as I can tell, from XP I am getting, and what I am reading, the XP in the beta right now is what it will be live.

From the as I can tell it is because I remember the XP that I got at 59, and grinding at 60, and it is right on par per-kill. 400-600 per kill (with no rested).

About 2 weeks ago I believe it was they had the XP up at about 4x normal, but it has been adjusted.

Only playing a week and I am already 62.

It looks more and more like the grind from 40-60 than anything else. Maybe as low as 35. But, so far, it isn't nearly as nasty as it was thought. If anything it may possibly get longer (I hope so), because otherwise it won't take much to get to 70.

[Sol]

my new spec @ 60 is going to be protection i think.

(this is a level 70 spec - remove the extra 10 points from the fury line to see the spec at 60)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=pVZVvzZfEzsh0zbxst

With the warrior nerf in this patch, its going to be wise to get myself into more of a shield and TF mode until i've gotten geared up.

I think another good build would be fury + 15 or so in protection:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=pVZVEzc0xoqzZfxz0h


I didn't notice until today, but anticipation is worth 20 defense points now instead of 10... that is a good value for any MT.

[Sol]

a GREAT main tank article on leveling to 70 in the beta. Long post, but worth the read. I find it disturbing how much they seem to agree that feral druids are doing better at tanking. what is next?!

http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1441792&sid=1

[Myrkris]

I was looking at your specs to figure out some options for the respec on my 58 warrior, and notice that outside of Arcticblob everyone has bailed out of Arms. The protection specs make sense for MTing, but I'm looking for a primarily solo build for my warrior, though perhaps with enough protection talents to do some good. My understanding from pre-2.0 was that Fury specs really needed a lot of AP from gear to be effective, does that still hold true? What would be a solid hybrid build for doing anything but raid tanking?

I was looking at a level 60 spec something like this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050250212500105200010000500000000000000000000354000030000000000000), for example.

[Kul]

I wouldnt worry about protection much except TM that got moved there. If you're just soloing increase your fury/arms. Getting the pvp gear will be far more simplier and the dps gear beat anything you can get out of bwl, except the trinkets. If fury, you will want the %hit and ap yet. With the new talent, you can not worry about %hit so much, and can add more +ap gear.

Im leaning on: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=pVMczZVVzA0xRiuZM


Gonna need every talent available that helps rage gen, because it's going to be difficult now with normalization. Not sure if I can beat all the other classes in raid dps now....and everyone will have easier access to HWL gear, making more competition.

And for tanking, roll a druid ;) Overall though, Ive read the instances in BC are crazy with stuns and fears so undead/and orcs will be better tanks for those locations.

[Byomage]

Question, with the glancing blow calculations changing (from patch notes:Weapon skill will no longer reduce the percentage damage lost due to glancing) will +hit be more important? Does anyone know what will effect the amount of glancing blows? Agi? +hit? Int?

[Sol]

I was looking at your specs to figure out some options for the respec on my 58 warrior, and notice that outside of Arcticblob everyone has bailed out of Arms. The protection specs make sense for MTing, but I'm looking for a primarily solo build for my warrior, though perhaps with enough protection talents to do some good. My understanding from pre-2.0 was that Fury specs really needed a lot of AP from gear to be effective, does that still hold true? What would be a solid hybrid build for doing anything but raid tanking?

I was looking at a level 60 spec something like this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050250212500105200010000500000000000000000000354000030000000000000), for example.




If you plan on doing a lot of solo'ing/PVP (for HWL weaps) and very little tanking for groups, I would spec this way and you like the MS build you leveled up on:

The reason you need 41 points is thanks to rage normalization. the ability "endless rage" helps get your rage back to where it was pre-patch. You do sacrifice some of the tanking talents you had in your spec however.


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html? (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050250213420105000212510500000000000000000002300000000000000000000)050250213420105000212510500000000000000000002300000000000000000000 (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050250213420105000212510500000000000000000002300000000000000000000)

[Myrkris]

If you plan on doing a lot of solo'ing/PVP (for HWL weaps) and very little tanking for groups, I would spec this way and you like the MS build you leveled up on:

The reason you need 41 points is thanks to rage normalization. the ability "endless rage" helps get your rage back to where it was pre-patch. You do sacrifice some of the tanking talents you had in your spec however.


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?050250213420105000212510500000000000000000002300000000000000000000





Interesting build. Levelling to 70, would you then put the points into anticipation first (20 Def sounds pretty good)?

[Sol]

Question, with the glancing blow calculations changing (from patch notes:Weapon skill will no longer reduce the percentage damage lost due to glancing) will +hit be more important? Does anyone know what will effect the amount of glancing blows? Agi? +hit? Int?

I don't know if there is a way to mitigate the number of glancing blows going forward.

[Sol]

Interesting build. Levelling to 70, would you then put the points into anticipation first (20 Def sounds pretty good)?

i'd resume your tanking talents once you get to 70 via a respec

leveling up, i'd go into fury and get the fury talent unbridled wrath right away for more rage gen.

the key components of my changes in arms for your build were Impale 2/2, Second wind (everyone says this is great on test, a real surprise for some) and i got that blood craze that increases damage % and of course endless rage. I don't think weapon mastery is a great talent for leveling up unless you are fighting oranges.

[Myrkris]

i'd resume your tanking talents once you get to 70 via a respec

leveling up, i'd go into fury and get the fury talent unbridled wrath right away for more rage gen.

the key components of my changes in arms for your build were Impale 2/2, Second wind (everyone says this is great on test, a real surprise for some) and i got that blood craze that increases damage % and of course endless rage. I don't think weapon mastery is a great talent for leveling up unless you are fighting oranges.

OK, I was thinking Weapon Mastery might be good for PvP due to cutting down on disarms, but then I have no idea how many people try to disarm warriors...

[Sol]

when i said blood craze, i mean blood fury.

blood craze is a fury talent that stinks. I used to have it, don't get it. Very few people disarm. If I get disarmed once, i'll probably get disarmed again so i put on my strath gauntlets death grips, but most BG's i go the whole round without getting disarmed, and that is wielding Thunderfury which people do tend to focus on.


my 60-69 spec is likely to either be a full on fury build like it is now, or a full on protection spec, with a dash of fury for Unbridled wrath.

My advice is build your spec around your gear. if you have strong +Ap and +hit, go DW fury, if you are high AP and have a great 2H, go 2h Fury, if you are still building your AP and like 2H weap. go MS.

[Myrkris]

What is "good AP" at 60? I think mine is about 650 with potion buffs and soloing gear on, over 700 if I put on AP-oriented gear (this is at 58). I assume that's too low for a Fury build.

[Sol]

What is "good AP" at 60? I think mine is about 650 with potion buffs and soloing gear on, over 700 if I put on AP-oriented gear (this is at 58). I assume that's too low for a Fury build.


I agree 700 is a bit low for a 2h fury spec. that's due to the nature of bloodthirst. instant attack that does damage equal to 1/2 of your AP.

I would say 1200 buffed AP is good AP @ 60 (before the new talents raise the bar)

[Kul]

Trend is 1k AP, unbuffed, for minimum. Get all the +str enchants you can get.

Sol, I need your toon, I get disarmed all the time, which perks my interest in that arms ability for pvp..especially when I get the pig tickler and 2h axe. Im surprised you dont get DA more oftend with tf since its so apparent in BGs.

[Shizma]

Shoot.... he gets on his pony and it procs. Great big sign that says "pain here, pain here for free!"

:)

[Sol]

Trend is 1k AP, unbuffed, for minimum. Get all the +str enchants you can get.

Sol, I need your toon, I get disarmed all the time, which perks my interest in that arms ability for pvp..especially when I get the pig tickler and 2h axe. Im surprised you dont get DA more oftend with tf since its so apparent in BGs.

I am shocked how little i get disarmed too. Its funny because I will try a disarm on most TF users. Anyone with a really flashy 2H i will try to disarm. Going a whole round without a disarm is wierdly common. Maybe its because I'm dual wielding? bloodthirst doesn't care if i'm disarmed or not.

but, like I said. I will throw my death grips on after 1 person disarms me because that person is likely to keep doing it if I don't put them on. I find myself not trying to disarm well geared warriors much, because they are almost always immune. so i think that has something to do with it.

Most have a pair of those nice gauntlets for immunity. stronghold gauntlets (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=12639) or the less sexy aforementioned death grips. every warrior has easy access to death grips. I use the death grips for my riding enchant gloves.

[Myrkris]

Most have a pair of those nice gauntlets for immunity. stronghold gauntlets (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=12639) or the less sexy aforementioned death grips. every warrior has easy access to death grips. I use the death grips for my riding enchant gloves.

Jeezus, the mats for the stronghold gaunts! I need to start doing instances with my warriorororor to get the death grips, I see...

[Sol]

check out www.maxdps.com for good gear choices on your dps warrior.

[Sol]

tseric showed up finally and has been making a lot of comments on what they did to warriors in the patch. If you are a big warrior fan or hater, this is interesting to read.


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=9F01FE7EBB907796F8E25DF4B2B6C823?topicId=49567912&pageNo=12&sid=1#222

[Gorrack]

Since I have found myself Main tanking in 5 mans a lot with Gorrack, I switched over to this

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002055511033022122001051
from this

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warrior/talents.html?203050203020000000000000505310152501005010000000000000000000000000

I will say this about the protection spec. I do enjoy it. And i didnt think i was going to. However, Devastate.... well... isnt all that devastating, after having bloodthirst. Normally while tanking, I dont have a high damage slow weapon on, i am using my Lord Blackwoods Blade which is fast, but tops out at about 80 or 90 dmg i cant remember which.

Now, as for leveling to 70... i will probably switch back to the 17/34/0 dual weild style, and go from there. Unless I am doing most of my leveling in instances.

I havnt really started looking at 61 point specs as of yet.

[Potpie]

A lot of levelling in Burning Crusade will come from questing - quests that are soloable.

[Myrcaus]

Not if I can help it.

5man > Solo, any day.

[Potpie]

Note that I said "SOLOABLE" -- that doesn't mean you have to solo them, only that you can accomplish those quests alone if you choose to do so.:spankme:

Edit:
My main point is - the bulk of a typical player's experience from 60 to 70 will come from quests.

[Myrcaus]

I would say that's true of all levels. =) Myrc did just about zero acutal "grinding" from 1-60.

Of course, timely application of the free rest exp from the server instability back in the day meant he spent the entirety of levels 53-60 "in the blue". =)

I'll have to learn to park in an inn again. Hehe. We're all newbs reborn!

[Shizma]

Note that I said "SOLOABLE" -- that doesn't mean you have to solo them, only that you can accomplish those quests alone if you choose to do so.:spankme:

Edit:
My main point is - the bulk of a typical player's experience from 60 to 70 will come from quests.

I think that's consistent with Red's experience with the beta also PP. And it appears that there are abundant quest lines. Hopefully they pay well also :( .

Edit: Mylen and I tend to run as a pair while leveling. Her healing augments my survival, and she adds DPS that shortens the kill time.

[Sol]

I have altered my thinking quite a bit since I don't think I'll be tanking many raid bosses on my way to 70. I am planning on going with my current PVP/PVE DW fury build (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=pVZVVzVGxRiu0of) in TBC. My Fury build is currently kind of a mix of PVP stuff like imp intercept and PVE stuff like rampage.

I have heard from beta druids and warriors that the feral druids are doing great at tanking 5 mans in BC. The feedback from guys who have both a druid and a tank say that the druid can now DPS and Tank multiple mobs in a 5 man with less effort than a good Prot tank. The interesting thing to note is that a fury warrior tanking may be akin to a bear tanking.

The ferals do reportedly take more damage than protection specs though... if healing is a bottleneck this may be important, but i don't think its that important. Raid bosses, supposedly are still the dominion of the protection spec tank @ level 70.


Once I hit 70 and *if* I find fury lacking in raids. I may respec to this build. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=LVMxdZVZfyzsh0zdxst)
Its a 15/5/41 build. I like this build because I get the fun protection talents like Shield slam, revenge, conc blow, and silencing shield bash. Plus I get a few arms goodies that I like. I love having a high chance to resist stuns. This + orc racial is something that is great against rogues and also on raids. I resist the stompy Core hounds a noticeable amount for example.

I grabbed improved overpower as a nod to PVP and improved charge which is nod to solo farming for cash and some pvp utility.

[Beagle]

Man that fury build looks pretty sick...I'm doing 5-5-41 right now but I'm pondering what to build on my way to 70...gonna be a long slow slog the way Ive got it now.
-be

[Shizma]

Not as slow as you think BE. I have the same build, and can drop a lvl 60 mob fairly quick solo. What I noticed is that with the prot spec, you can unload a lot of your prot gear and get an extra set with + to hit, str and agi. It raises your HP pretty quickly and balances things out. The spec seems to hold down the damage you take.

Just make sure you're using a fast blade. Rage is harder to come buy.

[Sol]

Not as slow as you think BE. I have the same build, and can drop a lvl 60 mob fairly quick solo. What I noticed is that with the prot spec, you can unload a lot of your prot gear and get an extra set with + to hit, str and agi. It raises your HP pretty quickly and balances things out. The spec seems to hold down the damage you take.

Just make sure you're using a fast blade. Rage is harder to come buy.

I noticed that single target vs. single target, my prot spec was about equal to my arms spec. Where arms trumped protection spec was in fighting 2 mobs at once. arms got the job done a lot better thanks to sweeping strikes and cleave between MS's.

With the DW fury build, i just mow mobs down, however. its interesting when you get flurry+ enrage+crusader proc all at the same time. stuff just goes down.

[Kigora]

With the DW fury build, i just mow mobs down, however. its interesting when you get flurry+ enrage+crusader proc all at the same time. stuff just goes down.


It's a beautiful thing isn't it. :)

[wooti]

It's a beautiful thing isn't it. :)



Hi kigalicious! :beerchug: :notworthy :wavey:

[Potpie]

It's a beautiful thing isn't it. :)

Ooooh hi! :bigok:

[Sol]

It's a beautiful thing isn't it. :)

it is! :wink:

last night I went and tested out my 4/8 heroism bonus + heroism card at gahrrons withering in WPL. the 4/8 heroism gives a 80-120 heal proc when I deal damage. I have a darkmoon card that does similar thing, + crusader proc heals me.

So, i just mowed through the farm. I was never stopping. I never bandaged, or waited for health to come back or sat and ate. I only had to decide if I was going to take on 4 mobs at once or take on 1 at once. I found if I killed 4 at once, I'd be about 50% health, then I would take on 1-2 pulls until I was up to about 80% health and then pull 3-4 again, and repeat. I'm farming my last few Argent dawn tokens so I can get the +5 to all resist enchant unlocked. :11:

^ I figure this is what a rogue feels like when they are at gahhron's. :)

[Kul]

Last night I was stunned. A GD protection warrior beat me in a game of survival. :omfg:

I admit it, and Im going to go :Cry:

[Kul]

it is! :wink:
^ I figure this is what a rogue feels like when they are at gahhron's. :)


Thats the best thing with fury is the healing for pve, and the massive slaughter. Im working a druid now too, so its just the same, but I never have to worry about mana. I got some screenies of devasting some BGs still as a fury warrior, which tempts me for the HWL 1-h axes. A pugged wsg group beat a pre-made and I lead with some 20+ kills :icon16:

[Beagle]

Not as slow as you think BE. I have the same build, and can drop a lvl 60 mob fairly quick solo. What I noticed is that with the prot spec, you can unload a lot of your prot gear and get an extra set with + to hit, str and agi. It raises your HP pretty quickly and balances things out. The spec seems to hold down the damage you take.

Just make sure you're using a fast blade. Rage is harder to come buy.

Yar good point, though like Sol said I'm still worried about multiple mobs at one. Ah well, my philosophy now is not to stress about the grind and just to play the way that's most fun. Hopefully I'll be grouping in duoing a lot of the way which might make prot look a bit more desireable.
-be

[Shizma]

I noticed that single target vs. single target, my prot spec was about equal to my arms spec. Where arms trumped protection spec was in fighting 2 mobs at once. arms got the job done a lot better thanks to sweeping strikes and cleave between MS's.

With the DW fury build, i just mow mobs down, however. its interesting when you get flurry+ enrage+crusader proc all at the same time. stuff just goes down.

Something I need to think about. Once we start leveling I may need to caugh up the coin for another respec to give fury/arms a better shake. I was impressed in thepublic beta, but until lvl 61-62 I admit having a case of week knees and the need to hide behind my shield, while we're still raiding :)

[Sol]

fairly interesting feral druid MT @ 70 vs warrior MT @ 70. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56216791&sid=1

I think they may have finally fixed the druid feral sub-class up to where it needs to be... giving them some options.

[Melfena]

fairly interesting feral druid MT @ 70 vs warrior MT @ 70. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56216791&sid=1

I think they may have finally fixed the druid feral sub-class up to where it needs to be... giving them some options.Sadly, Bear tanks still lack the biggest advantage warriors have: The shield. Shield blocked hits can not crushing blow, giving warriors an amazing advantage. Even with the very high evasion levels bear tanks have, a crushing crit will still be able to wipe out a large amount of those hitpoints.

Block + parry + dodge, the warrior still comes out on top, but bears have some advantages as well. Immunity to two of the more common temporary aggro resets, mind control and poly make them much better tanks for those sort of bosses, along with threat generation that doesn't require up to date weapons. Bear tanks are going to be amazing for leveling instances, but after that they will fall back into the normal roles :(

On pally tanking, we'll just have to wait and see. I think they will make great offtanks and on aggro sensitive fights really shine with their ability to drop everyone elses aggro but theirs.

[Redgar]

What Mel said is what I have been seeing in the beta as well. In the 5-mans, where you are going through them for XP and some questing, but aren't on the level of MC or BWL, Bear tanks shine. Most of the times I have ran the 5-mans it was a bear tank leading the way.

[Sol]

It will be nice to have more options at the tanking position of a 5 man.

I imagine its a lot like it is now. Its not exactly easy the first few times for most warriors to MT big pulls with few CC options.

The mob pulls in Strath come to mind where you have 3 elites and 5 non-elites. I really stepped up my game when I learned to tank the 3 elites and let the rest of the group handle the non-elites. Nowadays its pretty trivial, but when that zone first became a 5 man, there was a learning curve there for the entire group. We'll be climbing that curve again.

Slavishly assisting to burn down mobs so that the MT can hold aggro seems very important. If everyone has a different target, the pulls will be more painful, esp. with a warrior MT vs. a Bear. From the data speculation in the thread above, the warriors have an edge on single target aggro, while the Bears and Pallies have an edge on the multiple mob target aggro.